tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2336113277139874133.comments2023-05-02T05:51:52.416-07:00Editing CircleJacqueline Lichtenberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01613040740264804278noreply@blogger.comBlogger119125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2336113277139874133.post-83511862628179022452014-06-27T14:59:03.078-07:002014-06-27T14:59:03.078-07:00Congrats on landing the novel to video game contra...Congrats on landing the novel to video game contract!Dana's Blah Blah Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08097791597413958886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2336113277139874133.post-15069517721753152592011-05-29T15:15:52.596-07:002011-05-29T15:15:52.596-07:00Good afternoon, Jacqueline,
Questions!
Could you...Good afternoon, Jacqueline,<br /><br />Questions!<br /><br />Could you talk about getting Multiple Point of View and Story Structure together?<br /><br />As I've whined about before, structuring a story does not come naturally to me. I have to work very hard at it. Thanks to you, the Mythic Structure, and Blake Snyder, I've finally made enough progress to achieve publication.<br /><br />Now, I'm taking the terrifying toddler-steps to Multiple Point of View. I think I hit a Learning Curve too.<br /><br />SWEET BYTES is the third story in the Ophelia Dawson Chronicles. The first and second stories were told entirely in the Heroine's Point of View, Third Person Limited. At the end of Sugar Rush, though, the Hero and Heroine were parted by external circumstances. So, I have Sweet Bytes told *mostly* from the Heroine's Point of View. Including the Hero's POV became obviously necessary though. Now, I'm at the end of the second draft and it seems to me (here's the Learning Curve) that in this case the Hero needs his own Blake Snyder Beat Sheet, in miniture, but still there. He has his own story going on, his own Theme (similar to Heroine's), he meets his own 'goddess', and has his own All Is Lost moment. (I didn't do this on purpose, by the way) Now, in Act Three, the Hero and Heroine converge and they're together, working in tandem again, but in much greater depth than ever in Sugar Rush. They've matured a lot.<br /><br />So, is this the way it was supposed to go and I stumbled on it? Did you teach me this and it only now just sunk in? <br /><br />Now, that I see it all, I'm thinking, hmmm, I need to go back and do something with this *on purpose.*<br /><br />Anyway, there's still two more books to go in the series, so if you have the chance I'd love advice on writing a series too.Kimber Lihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03982239712083114488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2336113277139874133.post-66999162984473801492011-03-26T00:52:09.337-07:002011-03-26T00:52:09.337-07:00As you are aware of the latest progress of interne...As you are aware of the latest progress of internet specially the introduction of web 2.0 websites is an online revolution. I appreciate your work to provide such authentic material. <br /><a href="http://www.eduthesis.com/" rel="nofollow">uk thesis help</a>Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11430692125959372995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2336113277139874133.post-90748118031026081702011-03-19T10:32:28.186-07:002011-03-19T10:32:28.186-07:00Thanks JL! I so love having you on my blog. Your i...Thanks JL! I so love having you on my blog. Your ideas seem to be creating a real buzz! The Soul Mate idea is very popular.<br /><br />Thanks for guest blogging with me!Kaye Manrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03639814610213100626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2336113277139874133.post-14126143161361276212011-03-13T21:12:17.762-07:002011-03-13T21:12:17.762-07:00P.S. HAPPPPPPYYYYYYY BIRTHDAYYYYY!!!!!P.S. HAPPPPPPYYYYYYY BIRTHDAYYYYY!!!!!Kimber Lihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03982239712083114488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2336113277139874133.post-88591946228852690172011-03-13T12:43:44.456-07:002011-03-13T12:43:44.456-07:00Thank you so much, Jacqueline!
I'm hoping rea...Thank you so much, Jacqueline!<br /><br />I'm hoping readers will notice the difference in Ophelia in CRUSHED, which is set three months before SUGAR RUSH. It takes place before she comes under the Villain's oppression and she hasn't yet needed to rely on the Heroic Ideal reinforced by her love of Star Trek.Kimber Lihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03982239712083114488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2336113277139874133.post-53581727905593648902010-11-15T05:56:45.904-07:002010-11-15T05:56:45.904-07:00I've learned tons from you over the past few y...I've learned tons from you over the past few years, Jacqueline! And I'll always be eternally grateful too.Kimber Lihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03982239712083114488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2336113277139874133.post-53367653553180972332010-09-17T06:43:48.380-07:002010-09-17T06:43:48.380-07:00I have been visiting various blogs for my thesis w...I have been visiting various blogs for my <a href="http://www.usatermpapers.com/thesis_writing.htm" rel="nofollow">thesis writing</a> research. I have found your blog to be quite useful. Keep updating your blog with valuable information... Regardsjessicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14922581460252281202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2336113277139874133.post-53557782222770395322010-07-27T05:48:52.453-07:002010-07-27T05:48:52.453-07:00Awesome news for me!Awesome news for me!Kimber Lihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03982239712083114488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2336113277139874133.post-85759351813443278262010-07-04T08:49:02.588-07:002010-07-04T08:49:02.588-07:00Thank you for checking - yes, I think I'll lea...Thank you for checking - yes, I think I'll leave the question about the future compilation of the posts on writing if you don't mind. It shows your interest better than an enthusiastic blast would. <br /><br />Jacqueline LichtenbergJacqueline Lichtenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01613040740264804278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2336113277139874133.post-49781651711163247012010-07-03T03:28:41.010-07:002010-07-03T03:28:41.010-07:00Hi Jacqueline
The excerpt seems fine.
Did you want...Hi Jacqueline<br />The excerpt seems fine.<br />Did you want to keep in the question about the writing craft book?<br />That's the only bit I'd take out, unless of course you want to leave it as a forward promotion thing.<br />Seems I'm in good company - Linnea, my idol!<br />thanks again<br />AlisonA.B.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02631009081489655875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2336113277139874133.post-2911823457550570142010-07-02T16:02:48.059-07:002010-07-02T16:02:48.059-07:00Alison:
OK, I've put your comment onto
http:...Alison:<br /><br />OK, I've put your comment onto <br />http://www.simegen.com/jl/influencedbyJL/ <br /><br />Let me know if it needs editing.<br /><br />Jacqueline Lichtenberg<br />http://jacquelinelichtenberg.comJacqueline Lichtenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01613040740264804278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2336113277139874133.post-88138276148079255132010-07-02T15:43:28.776-07:002010-07-02T15:43:28.776-07:00Thank you - yes I can excerpt those comments and p...Thank you - yes I can excerpt those comments and put them on my keeper page for others to consider.<br /><br />Yes, the compilation of my how-to-write blog posts is still in the works. <br /><br />Thank you for bringing that one quote to the surface about what a writer has to sell. I've said it many ways many times. It's so obvious, but takes years to figure out.<br /><br />Jacqueline Lichtenberg<br />http://jacquelinelichtenberg.comJacqueline Lichtenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01613040740264804278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2336113277139874133.post-77517501287022650582010-07-02T14:33:16.523-07:002010-07-02T14:33:16.523-07:00Hi again
I cut and pasted a lot of your advice as ...Hi again<br />I cut and pasted a lot of your advice as "keepers". Weren't you going to publish a book on craft at some stage?<br />This part you wrote in a blog about Word Building in SF brilliantly sums up what goes into making a successful writer:<br /><i>Your recognition of what you have in common with others who are less articulate than you are is your stock in trade, the Art you can monetize commercially.</i><br />When I have my professional editing hat on, that's exactly what I try to do. Help the author articulate what they're trying to say. It's often in their head and you have to get them to explain themselves so you can tease out the gold from the dross.<br />I love that aspect of my work.<br />There's still a lot of gold in what you've said that I'm not applying yet. I need to highlight these into easily digestible chunks, so I can refer back to it often.<br />take care and thanks again<br />AlisonA.B.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02631009081489655875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2336113277139874133.post-59745828013917396042010-07-02T14:16:16.209-07:002010-07-02T14:16:16.209-07:00Hi again
Is that what you wanted?
As for launching...Hi again<br />Is that what you wanted?<br />As for launching a career. LOL. Early days!<br />Another trick you taught me was the 750 word scene trick.<br />In my short story "Reversal" I consciously tried to make each scene that long.<br />In the end I split some smaller and a few went longer, but it did suit the snappy tone of the short story and the narrator's voice.<br />Like all "rules" you don't follow it over a cliff, but it's something to definitely take into consideration.A.B.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02631009081489655875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2336113277139874133.post-36421857141060916312010-07-02T14:08:43.073-07:002010-07-02T14:08:43.073-07:00Hi Jacqueline
A paragraph on theme?!
You know when...Hi Jacqueline<br />A <i>paragraph</i> on theme?!<br />You know when you walk out of a movie and you go "Hey, yeah, interesting characters, the action really flowed, but what was the the <i>point</i> of making the movie in the first place." What's missing is the "Theme" - what the story is all about. Over the years, Jacqueline Lichtenberg has covered this topic extensively in her blogs at Editing Circle and Alien Romances. Her advice has helped me understand and make sure that everything I write and edit follows this dictum. It doesn't have to be an "In your face" moral, but it sure helps when you've hit a brick wall and are not sure where to take the story next, or when you've reached the end and feel something's missing.A.B.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02631009081489655875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2336113277139874133.post-20062431578743936642010-07-02T09:25:08.508-07:002010-07-02T09:25:08.508-07:00Alison (that is),
Yes, KimberAn is an excellent c...Alison (that is),<br /><br />Yes, KimberAn is an excellent commentator. I hope others are reading what she says.<br /><br />Jacqueline LichtenbergJacqueline Lichtenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01613040740264804278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2336113277139874133.post-76011723400049941402010-07-02T09:24:01.507-07:002010-07-02T09:24:01.507-07:00Gayle!
Wow, a launched career. I'm so glad...Gayle! <br /><br />Wow, a launched career. I'm so glad you found something useful in my posts on theme because I'm still harping on it in my posts on aliendjinnromances.blogspot.com and have 2 posts on it scheduled for July 13 and July 20, 2010.<br /><br />I would be inordinately pleased if you would like to write a parag or so about your use of my clues on theme for the page I've just started to save up a list of those I've influenced. <br /><br />http://www.simegen.com/jl/influencedbyJL/ <br /><br />Jacqueline Lichtenberg<br />http://jacquelinelichtenberg.comJacqueline Lichtenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01613040740264804278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2336113277139874133.post-57026790610204903012010-07-02T04:42:31.902-07:002010-07-02T04:42:31.902-07:00Hi Jacqueline
It's over a year since I last po...Hi Jacqueline<br />It's over a year since I last posted here under the name of Ozambersand.<br />Interestingly, back in March of last year the subject of theme came up in your post about plot vs story.<br />You may be interested to know that I am now editing for a small epublishing house and continually passing that message on to authors, getting them to explain the story to me, so they can see whether their book contains it.<br />Under the pseudonym A.B.Gayle, I've also had two short stories published in ebook scifi anthologies "Echoes of the Future" and "Echoes of Possibility" both about Cedric the sex-slave cyborg.<br />They are lightweight, humorous but seem to work.<br />I've also just had a novella released called "Mardi Gras" which also has a pretty strong theme.<br />I should visit here more often as there is still good stuff in your posts. So much to learn so little time. Sigh.<br />I see Kimber An is still with you. Hi. Hpe the kids are well and that your YA writing is going well.<br />Hope you are well<br />AlisonA.B.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02631009081489655875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2336113277139874133.post-21914913258136903682010-06-16T05:17:08.173-07:002010-06-16T05:17:08.173-07:00Thanks, Jacqueline.
I think I'm distracting m...Thanks, Jacqueline.<br /><br />I think I'm distracting my husband these days when we watch a movie. I'll go, "Oh! That's the 'All is Lost' moment!' or 'They just hit the Mid-point and the stakes have been raised!" And he's like, "Oookay."<br /><br />But, he's used to that. He gave me a Writer's Market for our first Valentine's Day umpteen-some-odd years and a few babies ago.Kimber Lihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03982239712083114488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2336113277139874133.post-22920515974399085932010-06-15T09:54:51.677-07:002010-06-15T09:54:51.677-07:00Some of this stuff takes years to sink all the way...Some of this stuff takes years to sink all the way in.<br /><br />Just remember, as you are reading novels or watching TV or movies, STUDY them for applications and illustrations of these principles. <br /><br />And don't forget what you learned about scene structure in my post on SHOW DON'T TELL:<br />http://editingcircle.blogspot.com/2010/05/tv-show-white-collar-fanfic-and-show.html <br /><br />Jacqueline LichtenbergJacqueline Lichtenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01613040740264804278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2336113277139874133.post-15443714260533834612010-06-15T09:43:14.682-07:002010-06-15T09:43:14.682-07:00This post is going to take a while to digest!
One...This post is going to take a while to digest!<br /><br />One thing's struck me so far.<br /><br />I think the reason I start the story creation process in my head with the Catalyst is because that is the first time the Theme and the Heroine *CRASH* into each other and really show each other what they're made of in a very big and personal way.Kimber Lihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03982239712083114488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2336113277139874133.post-88681097655196933662010-06-15T09:33:42.154-07:002010-06-15T09:33:42.154-07:00Cool! Thanks. Will go read and file now.Cool! Thanks. Will go read and file now.Kimber Lihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03982239712083114488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2336113277139874133.post-34471659557331758902010-06-15T09:22:48.452-07:002010-06-15T09:22:48.452-07:00KimberAn:
Excellent observation. Here's the ...KimberAn:<br /><br />Excellent observation. Here's the answer to the implicit question, inserted at the top of a post you no doubt read about 2 years ago.<br /><br />http://editingcircle.blogspot.com/2010/06/what-you-can-do-in-novel-that-you-cant.html <br /><br />Jacqueline Lichtenberg<br />http://www.simegen.com/jl/Jacqueline Lichtenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01613040740264804278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2336113277139874133.post-38235452652518806572010-06-15T06:34:56.567-07:002010-06-15T06:34:56.567-07:00I've seen all this, but still learning to appl...I've seen all this, but still learning to apply it myself, of course.<br /><br />Hey, I have a question.<br /><br />Since I have little time on the computer, due to my very busy life and Tendonitis, I work out stories in my head first.<br /><br />I've noticed a story ALWAYS starts with the Catalyst! Then, I work through the rest of the story. And then I go back and start with the Opening Image and work through to the Catalyst. I didn't plan this. I just noticed I've been doing it. And it does seem to make the story creation process more efficient.<br /><br />Hmm, I just knew there was a question in there somewhere, but it came out as an observation instead. Maybe my question is<br /><br />"What's with that?"<br /><br />If that makes sense.<br /><br />'Cause I like to figure out why I do things, so if they're good things I can build on them, I suppose.Kimber Lihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03982239712083114488noreply@blogger.com